Comments on: Ping the Semantic Web: call for names of web services exporting RDF documents http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/ Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:32:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Tom http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-616 Tom Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:02:51 +0000 #comment-616 Great work on PTSW :) As promised, <a href="http://revyu.com/" title="Revyu.com" rel="nofollow">Revyu.com</a> now "Pings The Semantic Web" with the URIs of new Reviews. I've blogged about it <a href="http://blog.revyu.com/revyucom-now-pings-the-semantic-web/" title="blog entry on blog.revyu.com" rel="nofollow">here on blog.revyu.com</a>. Pings for updated FOAF and Tag information will come in the next version. Great work on PTSW :) As promised, Revyu.com now “Pings The Semantic Web” with the URIs of new Reviews. I’ve blogged about it here on blog.revyu.com. Pings for updated FOAF and Tag information will come in the next version.

]]> By: Fred http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Fred Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:51:16 +0000 #comment-615 Hi Alexander,<br /> <br /> Eventually yes (check one of my last blog post that talks about the SPARQL endpoint). But the first goal of PTSW is to help people developing application using RDF technologies. And it will help them by giving them easily access to thousands (and eventually millions) of RDF documents.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thanks for your questions,<br /> <br /> <br /> Take care,<br /> <br /> <br /> Fred Hi Alexander,

Eventually yes (check one of my last blog post that talks about the SPARQL endpoint). But the first goal of PTSW is to help people developing application using RDF technologies. And it will help them by giving them easily access to thousands (and eventually millions) of RDF documents.

Thanks for your questions,

Take care,

Fred

]]> By: Alexander http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-614 Alexander Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:56:16 +0000 #comment-614 OK, so this PTSW is supposed to be a part of a future SemanticSearch service. That's cool, because I can clearly see a need for the SemanticSearch. <br /> <br /> I wish you all the best and good luck!<br /> <br /> With kind regards,<br /> Alexander<br /> OK, so this PTSW is supposed to be a part of a future SemanticSearch service. That’s cool, because I can clearly see a need for the SemanticSearch.

I wish you all the best and good luck!

With kind regards,
Alexander

]]> By: Fred http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-613 Fred Fri, 24 Nov 2006 15:32:31 +0000 #comment-613 Hi Alexander,<br /> <br /> Okay, do you need RDF data for your browser? (for production or testing purposes). If you need RDF documents, where do you find you these documents? Are you aggregating them manually?<br /> <br /> If you would like to create a SIOC browser that would explicits some things with only communities, where would you find your SIOC data?<br /> <br /> Swoogle crawl the web since a year or two and got about 1.2 millions of RDF documents. As a developer, do you have that much time, and that much resources to do that?<br /> <br /> This is what PTSW is all about: helping people to find RDF documents.<br /> <br /> <br /> How do you find a web page? You probably use a search engine, and it is probably Google, Yahoo or MSN Search. If a page is not indexed by one of them, will you be able to find it? I doubt. I think it is the same thing with the semantic web.<br /> <br /> Or you find documents by browsing them (following relations (links)) or you go to the RDF document repository such as PTSW.<br /> <br /> I think that SW community need such a service, so people will spend less time trying to find SW documents.<br /> <br /> If it better explained that way?<br /> <br /> PS: I'll check that for the comment box height :)<br /> <br /> <br /> Take care,<br /> <br /> <br /> Fred Hi Alexander,

Okay, do you need RDF data for your browser? (for production or testing purposes). If you need RDF documents, where do you find you these documents? Are you aggregating them manually?

If you would like to create a SIOC browser that would explicits some things with only communities, where would you find your SIOC data?

Swoogle crawl the web since a year or two and got about 1.2 millions of RDF documents. As a developer, do you have that much time, and that much resources to do that?

This is what PTSW is all about: helping people to find RDF documents.

How do you find a web page? You probably use a search engine, and it is probably Google, Yahoo or MSN Search. If a page is not indexed by one of them, will you be able to find it? I doubt. I think it is the same thing with the semantic web.

Or you find documents by browsing them (following relations (links)) or you go to the RDF document repository such as PTSW.

I think that SW community need such a service, so people will spend less time trying to find SW documents.

If it better explained that way?

PS: I’ll check that for the comment box height :)

Take care,

Fred

]]> By: Alexander http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Alexander Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:28:53 +0000 #comment-612 Thanks a lot for the explanation, but I still do not understand how this service could be useful for me. I'm working on some kind of SemanticWeb browser/editor myself and I just don't see how I could use this ptsw.com service. I also haven't heard about weblogs.com before.<br /> If some application needs a central list of RDF resources to function -- it is simply broken! <br /> Why RDF providers should register themselves in a global repository? Why RDF consumers should contact you to check whether some RDF data has been updated?<br /> Keeping a track of updated RDF data makes absolutely no sense to me. Do you have a list of updated files on your hard drive? Why would somebody need such a list? If some service keeps track of some RDF data, it can check itself (thanks Web!) and no service in between is needed for this.<br /> I'm terrible sorry as it looks that I'm missing something very important.<br /> I just want to understand how people use your service.<br /> <br /> P.S. Would it be possible to make this "Your Comment" textarea bigger than 5 lines?<br /> Thanks a lot for the explanation, but I still do not understand how this service could be useful for me. I’m working on some kind of SemanticWeb browser/editor myself and I just don’t see how I could use this ptsw.com service. I also haven’t heard about weblogs.com before.
If some application needs a central list of RDF resources to function — it is simply broken!
Why RDF providers should register themselves in a global repository? Why RDF consumers should contact you to check whether some RDF data has been updated?
Keeping a track of updated RDF data makes absolutely no sense to me. Do you have a list of updated files on your hard drive? Why would somebody need such a list? If some service keeps track of some RDF data, it can check itself (thanks Web!) and no service in between is needed for this.
I’m terrible sorry as it looks that I’m missing something very important.
I just want to understand how people use your service.

P.S. Would it be possible to make this “Your Comment” textarea bigger than 5 lines?

]]> By: Fred http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-610 Fred Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:04:53 +0000 #comment-610 Hi Alexander,<br /> <br /> Great interrogation!<br /> <br /> Do you know weblogs.com? This is the same thing as ptsw.com, but for RSS and Atom web feed. Without this service, I am not sure that the new trend of search engine (technorati.com & co.) would exist. In fact, weblogs.com aggregated a critical mass of web feed data that helped new web service to emerge.<br /> <br /> PTSW has the same goal. The goal is to aggregate a critical mass of RDF data so that other web services, softwares, etc, can be developed over that data.<br /> <br /> The idea is to aggregate the maximum of document, and to easily, and effectively, distribute them to any body.<br /> <br /> That way, if you create a new social web service that explicit relationship amongs people, you could request all FOAF documents from PTSW and than playing with that data to explicit the relationship among people, explicits social networks, etc.<br /> <br /> Yah, this is probably most about letting people easily creating mashups using structured data.<br /> <br /> <br /> Hope this explanation make things clearer?<br /> <br /> <br /> Salutations,<br /> <br /> <br /> Fred Hi Alexander,

Great interrogation!

Do you know weblogs.com? This is the same thing as ptsw.com, but for RSS and Atom web feed. Without this service, I am not sure that the new trend of search engine (technorati.com & co.) would exist. In fact, weblogs.com aggregated a critical mass of web feed data that helped new web service to emerge.

PTSW has the same goal. The goal is to aggregate a critical mass of RDF data so that other web services, softwares, etc, can be developed over that data.

The idea is to aggregate the maximum of document, and to easily, and effectively, distribute them to any body.

That way, if you create a new social web service that explicit relationship amongs people, you could request all FOAF documents from PTSW and than playing with that data to explicit the relationship among people, explicits social networks, etc.

Yah, this is probably most about letting people easily creating mashups using structured data.

Hope this explanation make things clearer?

Salutations,

Fred

]]> By: Alexander http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2006/11/23/ping_the_semantic_web_call_for_names_of_/comment-page-1/#comment-611 Alexander Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:22:47 +0000 #comment-611 Hi Fred! I just do not understand the idea behind this PingtheSemanticWeb Project.<br /> Why is it necessary at all? Is there a corresponding service for pre- SemanticWeb? If not, how comes that nobody needs it? Are you trying to create a central repository (a global list?) of available RDF data? Is this not what creators of the Web tried to avoid? What value does your list bring?<br /> <br /> With kind regards,<br /> Alexander<br /> Hi Fred! I just do not understand the idea behind this PingtheSemanticWeb Project.
Why is it necessary at all? Is there a corresponding service for pre- SemanticWeb? If not, how comes that nobody needs it? Are you trying to create a central repository (a global list?) of available RDF data? Is this not what creators of the Web tried to avoid? What value does your list bring?

With kind regards,
Alexander

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