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	<title>Comments on: Wikipedia concepts to help managing Semantic Web described subjects</title>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2007/01/22/wikipedia_concepts_to_help_managing_sema/comment-page-1/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris!&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea wasn&#039;t to get reliable information about topics and concepts, it was to get information about things that are already defined (like my foaf profile, a geoname, etc.).&lt;br /&gt;
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DBpedia seems great! I saw that I can download it, so if you don&#039;t mind I would put it into PTSW. Also, are you updating that database once in a while?&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, my assertion probably need some more explanation:&lt;br /&gt;
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If the URI &quot;http://a.com/rdf&quot; is dereferenceable with URL &quot;http://b.com/rdf&quot;, then a crawler could discard the RDF document that came from &quot;b.com&quot; since it doesn&#039;t share the same domain as the URI. It is what I was meaning.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes sure it is. If you are interested in that, so check was will come in the next weeks/month.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take care,&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris!</p>
<p>The idea wasn&#8217;t to get reliable information about topics and concepts, it was to get information about things that are already defined (like my foaf profile, a geoname, etc.).</p>
<p>DBpedia seems great! I saw that I can download it, so if you don&#8217;t mind I would put it into PTSW. Also, are you updating that database once in a while?</p>
<p>Well, my assertion probably need some more explanation:</p>
<p>If the URI &#8220;http://a.com/rdf&#8221; is dereferenceable with URL &#8220;http://b.com/rdf&#8221;, then a crawler could discard the RDF document that came from &#8220;b.com&#8221; since it doesn&#8217;t share the same domain as the URI. It is what I was meaning.</p>
<p>Yes sure it is. If you are interested in that, so check was will come in the next weeks/month.</p>
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Take care,</p>
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Fred</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
		<link>http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2007/01/22/wikipedia_concepts_to_help_managing_sema/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fred,&lt;br /&gt;
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an alternative solution to having this authority, would be just to use the existing version of Wikipedia like an ontology, which gives you plenty of URIs for describing common concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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We have done some work into this direction at http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/dbpedia/&lt;br /&gt;
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&gt; That way, they would restrict Bob to define anything about my URI from another web server than my own.&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s not true. Image a Google like crawler which puts the complete Semantic Web into a single repository. Once you query this repository, you find anything everybody says about you. &lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Ping the Semantic Web is a big help in building such repositories (I expect there to be many of them).&lt;br /&gt;
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Cheers&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred,</p>
<p>an alternative solution to having this authority, would be just to use the existing version of Wikipedia like an ontology, which gives you plenty of URIs for describing common concepts.</p>
<p>We have done some work into this direction at <a href="http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/dbpedia/" rel="nofollow">http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/dbpedia/</a></p>
<p>> That way, they would restrict Bob to define anything about my URI from another web server than my own.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true. Image a Google like crawler which puts the complete Semantic Web into a single repository. Once you query this repository, you find anything everybody says about you. </p>
<p>I think that Ping the Semantic Web is a big help in building such repositories (I expect there to be many of them).</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2007/01/22/wikipedia_concepts_to_help_managing_sema/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex!&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah well, I scanned your article, and if you take a look at the section 8.2, it is probably the formalization of what I am talking about here (by the way, good article). And the other solutions of that paper are just other ways to archive the goal.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, I hope people will use named graph to keep track of them (individul grpahs). It is sure that you can create a level of trust for yeah source of information, but you have to get some metrics to set that trust level, and my proposition was a possible metric. In fact, one could take that, in conjonction with the fact that a document if dereferenceable or not, etc. Then one could create a beautiful little algorithm to set the trust level for each source.&lt;br /&gt;
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I said authority, but the term is probably not appropriate. In fact, is Wikipedia an authority?&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, this is not to say if a statement is true or not, but it is to add trust information (call it the way you want) about data sources and statements. When you talk about opinion, remember what I said when I was talking about &quot;conflicting&quot; documents above... this would be the same thing as when opinions are conflicting in some wikipedia articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, change &quot;authority&quot; by &quot;people&quot;. In fact, the authority I was talking about was a Wikipedia like system, and wikipedia is drove by people :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Take care,&lt;br /&gt;
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Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex!</p>
<p>Yeah well, I scanned your article, and if you take a look at the section 8.2, it is probably the formalization of what I am talking about here (by the way, good article). And the other solutions of that paper are just other ways to archive the goal.</p>
<p>Well, I hope people will use named graph to keep track of them (individul grpahs). It is sure that you can create a level of trust for yeah source of information, but you have to get some metrics to set that trust level, and my proposition was a possible metric. In fact, one could take that, in conjonction with the fact that a document if dereferenceable or not, etc. Then one could create a beautiful little algorithm to set the trust level for each source.</p>
<p>I said authority, but the term is probably not appropriate. In fact, is Wikipedia an authority?</p>
<p>Also, this is not to say if a statement is true or not, but it is to add trust information (call it the way you want) about data sources and statements. When you talk about opinion, remember what I said when I was talking about &#8220;conflicting&#8221; documents above&#8230; this would be the same thing as when opinions are conflicting in some wikipedia articles.</p>
<p>So, change &#8220;authority&#8221; by &#8220;people&#8221;. In fact, the authority I was talking about was a Wikipedia like system, and wikipedia is drove by people <img src='http://fgiasson.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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Take care,</p>
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Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php/2007/01/22/wikipedia_concepts_to_help_managing_sema/comment-page-1/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fred,&lt;br /&gt;
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You should have a look at context / Named Graphs ( http://www2005.org/cdrom/docs/p613.pdf ) and trust notion (eg: http://trust.mindswap.org/ ) .&lt;br /&gt;
Using a triple store that support contexts, you&#039;ll keep provenance of each statement, so you can define trust levels for statements authors, or simply query or avoid some graphs in your queries.&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW, I don&#039;t think relying on such an authority to say if a statement is true or not (if I understood well) is a good idea.&lt;br /&gt;
There can be a lot of way were statements can conflict if you just take them independently, but not depending the context (date, opinion ...) - and that&#039;s also why context is important.&lt;br /&gt;
Moreover, if I want to say something in RDF, I just say this. Then, trust this or not must be decided by people themselves, I think, not by an authority (even if then, you can imagine generic trust services, as blacklists for spammers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred,</p>
<p>You should have a look at context / Named Graphs ( <a href="http://www2005.org/cdrom/docs/p613.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www2005.org/cdrom/docs/p613.pdf</a> ) and trust notion (eg: <a href="http://trust.mindswap.org/" rel="nofollow">http://trust.mindswap.org/</a> ) .<br />
Using a triple store that support contexts, you&#8217;ll keep provenance of each statement, so you can define trust levels for statements authors, or simply query or avoid some graphs in your queries.</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t think relying on such an authority to say if a statement is true or not (if I understood well) is a good idea.<br />
There can be a lot of way were statements can conflict if you just take them independently, but not depending the context (date, opinion &#8230;) &#8211; and that&#8217;s also why context is important.<br />
Moreover, if I want to say something in RDF, I just say this. Then, trust this or not must be decided by people themselves, I think, not by an authority (even if then, you can imagine generic trust services, as blacklists for spammers).</p>
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