yes, it would really be nice to have a community-backed ontology for describing publications which is a bit more Semantic-Webby than Dublin Core. So developing a best practice for mixing DC, FOAF, SIOC and the event ontology would really useful.

Once you guys have developed this best practice, we are happy to change the D2R mapping of our DBLP server (http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/dblp/) and the RDF book mashup(http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/bookmashup/index.html) , so that they export RDF according to your best practice.

Cheers

Chris

On the subject of repositories, there’s also the close alliance between the DSPACE repository and the SIMILE project that might be worth peeking at, along with the various ontologies SIMILE has created–their JSTOR, OCLC, and ARTSTOR ontologies might be good places to look for reuse.

For the ontology to be able to capture the information about and from digital repositories holding a resource would be outstanding, and provide a rich connection between the bibliographies and the online sources.

Thanks! This is exciting!

[quote post="800"]The only thing is that we still have some coding to do with respect to MarcOnt Portal (the tool for ontology development I’ve mentioned) . Anyway, it would be nice to stay in touch as a lot of your goal overlap with ours [/quote]

Yah certainly that we will stay in touch. I would suggest you to subscribe to the project’s mailing list to be part of the brainstorming process. The exact essence of the ontology is yet to be defined, but Bruce has a good idea of where to go with it.

In fact, the development process of that ontology is possibly different from others. It is the same one I will apply that the one I have used for the development of the Music Ontology. This project will be bound with already in place systems such as Zotero, OpenOffice and Zitgist. Has Brice said, Zotero and OpenOffice didn’t used already ontologies available for some reason (he know since he is involved in their development) and for Zitgist, there was problems too. So this ontology will re-use classes and properties from as much ontologies as possible, but the core should be different for different need.

Salutations,

Fred

Practically speaking, they don’t work well for my data needs for example, which are the same data needs as lots of scholarly users in the humanities, social sciences, and law.

I guess we should keep in mind different requirements and users: the ontology I was working on was not designed for libraries. It was designed for scholars–from a wide range of fields–who are the primary users for both Zotero and the OpenOffice bibliographic project.

Speaking about bibliographic ontologies – we are currently working on one – MarcOnt Ontology (Jarek mentioned it). MarcOnt project is to deliver tools for collaborative ontology development and mapping between ontologies. Our proof of concept will be a bibliographic ontology which will be used in JeromeDL (some old version is used there at the moment ).

The reason why we take MARC21 into account is that it is the most popular format used in “real” libraries at the moment and we have to provide a possibility to port resources from these libraries to JeromeDL without loosing any (or only some) data. I agree that it means some complexity. But this is a point where community should come into place. That’s why we would like to release a realatively simple ontology (simple means capturing bibtex and DC ) which will be the subject of further development by the community.

The only thing is that we still have some coding to do with respect to MarcOnt Portal (the tool for ontology development I’ve mentioned) . Anyway, it would be nice to stay in touch as a lot of your goal overlap with ours

On MarcOnt, one of the non-goals I suggested was worrying about library standards too much. I was thinking of MARC in particular, which is a quite old flat data model not well-suited to contemporary user needs.

I think to the degree that we want to borrow from the library world here, it would be FRBR, which has a nice RDF ontology (done by Ian Davis). Nevertheless, I’d want that to be quite subtle and preferably behind-the-scenes, as FRBR is complex!

First time I ear of all that stuff, this is part of the brainstorming process

However, I would like to have more information about MarcOnt ontology. In fact I can’t find any documentation about it, examples snippets of how it could be used, etc. If something available?

Also, where if the JeromeDL ontology they talk about in the MarcOnt web pages?

Thanks,

Salutations,

Fred